Hey I see I was added to this.
I will give some background from what I saw.
It did seem like 8BitF0x and Gilbert were a bit overwhelmed with reports when Juan Deag and his idiot companion decided to go on an rdm spree. I don't blame Gilbert and 8Bit for handling reports - I know there were a lot. I think I got >4 dumb ones during that period myself.
However, it did seem like they lost awareness of what was going on around them. I did not see the interaction with Juan Deag and Hymen and I won't pretend to. What I did see was Juan Deag and idiot companion go and shoot anything that moved. They were consistently rdming for multiple rounds.
Usually staff on this server are pretty quick to smite and slay rdmers especially if they are just popping off. But we are talking several rounds in a row (I believe 3 before they were banned? Maybe 4?). It got to a point where I was annoyed, I started just constantly queueing my mic and saying "Mods ban these players. They are mass rdming. They are blatant as fuck. Please ban them" or something along those lines. I think @capri sun
would even be able to say how annoying I was during this round because I was just tired of it. I had to say that numerous times over 2 rounds before they finally started focusing on some of the behavior/reports of Juan Deag and his friend. When I say numerous times... I mean I had to say it WAAAY TOO MANY TIMES.
In my opinion, I don't
think 8Bit or Gilbert did a bad job. I don't know how many reports they were handling or any background information. I do think they could
have done a better job, but I think if I was a moderator I could've likely been in the exact same position. So I do not blame them being distracted.
However, in my opinion, Sir Hymen should have at least
received an apology for the slays. While yes the rules are black and white, I feel like this server is routinely going more towards a gray understanding of the rules. That, and when the moderation team is not handling some mass rdmers, and Sir Hymen does, I don't think he should receive 2 slays and a too bad so sad
"agreed, but unfortunately metagaming". Maybe at least look at all the different reports/damagelogs regarding the players who are clearly shooting anything with a pulse, prior to dealing out punishment to someone who just wants to play the game? You left the rdmers unpunished and enabled for the next two+ rounds. Then I had to murder them and nearly got killed for doing so. On my T round, one nearly killed me for walking down an alley; I am very lucky they were such a shitty player. I immediately knew they were shooting anything and anyone, and reported before the round was even over. In the immediate next round they nearly ruined it for me again, because I killed one of them for rdming and I nearly got killed for it. They proceeded to even report me for that. I think even a cursory glance of how they were reporting/responding to reports, and talking in chat such as telling Hymen to "Get Fucked" should have given the mods a decent idea of what was going on with these two players, because as I had said previously and over VOIP, they were blatant for multiple rounds.
I'll even step back for a moment. Two players decide to ruin the game for everyone else. One player decides to stop them. That player is punished. The two players then proceed to continue ruining people's rounds for multiple rounds. These two players nearly ruined two consecutive rounds for me personally. That doesn't seem right does it? I'm quite familiar with the rules so I am not coming at this with an argument of the outline of the rules, rather, I am coming with an argument on what is right and what is wrong in this situation. The right thing in this situation, if everything was done perfectly, would have been to step back, wait a moment, and look at all the different details prior to doling out punishment. Slays are supposed to be a discouragement right? Well, you discouraged a regular who was just playing the game, and encouraged two mass rdmer's to continue with reckless abandon. We can even see they were clearly encouraged as they kept going and started shit talking Hymen in chat. That isn't right
. While slaying Hymen does seem reasonable within a black and white context of the rules, it doesn't seem right when looking at the big picture and the overall outcome here, of once again, encouraging rule breakers and discouraging server regulars.
If I was in Hymen's position, and killed the rdming detective and received 2 rounds of slays - I would be annoyed. If I was slain for 2 rounds AND
simultaneously the rdming detective got slayed/banned, I would say that is harsh, but fair
. That is the rules after all. But Hymen only got the former outcome and got to watch from spectator as these guys continued what they were doing. They were only banned after some people were vocal enough (me) and enough reports came in to make it un-ignorable.
TL;DR Moderating is difficult. But please don't punish our regulars for playing the game and make them not want to play on the server while rule breakers can do as they wish.