Biased Treatment

[KaiwanHaaztre]

I can't help but notice punishments are not dolled out evenly from person to person. What might be a warning for one person can be a ban for another, despite the staff member issuing the punishments being the same. What's with that?
I have received 0 warnings and 2 bans, once for hate speech and now for advertising, yet I have seen evidence of other users being given only warnings for these same transgressions and even more.

 

[Gabriel]

why do you think i stepped down as staff

 

[helix]

To be fair, both of those punishments are discretionary simply because each situation is different, so each situation is going to be handled differently. Regardless of that though, there is this weird perception, probably started from SGM, that GMod communities and gmod staff should uphold this bastion of professionalism and consistency.... It's a gmod community. lol If you find that you're getting harsh punishments, the god to honest truth is probably that you're not very well liked either by the community or the staff that's going hard on ya. That's the nature of any gaming community you're going to come in to unless you have some stereotypical discord mod tier staff. Some people are going to fit in, others won't. That's life.

 

[dogewant2be]

the more you spend the more you get

 

[Evil Pauly]

Wish we could all be friends again
This one is for you scrungy

This one is for you Texas red

This one is for you aqaust

This one is for you meatwad

This one is for you kaiwan

 

[Nathan776]

I mean people have the option to run a community how they like but I don't disagree with your point. Personally I've always preferred the approach of being more outwardly professional while being more relaxed in specific groups. I find the issue usually becomes finding a balance which all users can interpret without them going "Well a mod can do X so I can do 2X". For example, clearly with whatever the most recent news post is about (Spam?) I'd like to be able to say my behaviour as staff never influenced them that doing that is ok and that they weren't simply given a green light.

On the idea of longer bans (Such as Month-Perma), I find it pretty weak even with some history to ban users for something relatively minor which others do but to a lesser extent. I feel like there are alternative methods which can be used to deal with nuisance users before going to more extreme lengths. Things such as limiting posting ability or specific discord roles with limited ability. All that creating bans with large scopes does is encourage evading.

One thing that I do find slightly odd at the minute is that discord and forum bans are not linked. I can understand In-game bans (To an extent depending on context) not being linked but surely a user can just go - "well I don't really give a crap about the forums so might as well do whatever"?

Lastly, with donating I feel that there is naturally going to be some bias as the users are normally much more well versed in the community and whoever bans the user is likely to get a lot of backlash (or just annoying messages going oooo u banned Jim). They are the kind of users where 10 minutes after banning them you know you are going to get pinged in discord and go - well damn now I better go compile all my evidence... . It's definitely not the donating itself that influences a moderator/admins decision to ban a player.

 

[RyanHighman]

We all have biases. Subconscious or conscious. Pretty similar to what Nathan said is that it isnt the fact that they donated that stops them from getting banned, its the fact that they've been around long enough to know how not to get banned.

That being said, you were warned at least twice for homophobic remarks (Im not saying you are homophobic). Once on discord, and once on the server, before you were ultimately banned.

 

[roy]

I always scale my punishments to fit how much I like that particular user.

 

[Black]

i know right i got a 2month+ ban for tagging the staff when some people dont even get a warning unbelievable these guys we should overthrow them

 

[Pierogi]

I mean people have the option to run a community how they like but I don't disagree with your point. Personally I've always preferred the approach of being more outwardly professional while being more relaxed in specific groups. I find the issue usually becomes finding a balance which all users can interpret without them going "Well a mod can do X so I can do 2X". For example, clearly with whatever the most recent news post is about (Spam?) I'd like to be able to say my behaviour as staff never influenced them that doing that is ok and that they weren't simply given a green light.

On the idea of longer bans (Such as Month-Perma), I find it pretty weak even with some history to ban users for something relatively minor which others do but to a lesser extent. I feel like there are alternative methods which can be used to deal with nuisance users before going to more extreme lengths. Things such as limiting posting ability or specific discord roles with limited ability. All that creating bans with large scopes does is encourage evading.

One thing that I do find slightly odd at the minute is that discord and forum bans are not linked. I can understand In-game bans (To an extent depending on context) not being linked but surely a user can just go - "well I don't really give a crap about the forums so might as well do whatever"?

Lastly, with donating I feel that there is naturally going to be some bias as the users are normally much more well versed in the community and whoever bans the user is likely to get a lot of backlash (or just annoying messages going oooo u banned Jim). They are the kind of users where 10 minutes after banning them you know you are going to get pinged in discord and go - well damn now I better go compile all my evidence... . It's definitely not the donating itself that influences a moderator/admins decision to ban a player.

Another thing that works in regulars' favors is that most of them show that they're capable of being productive members of the community. If someone joins the server and immediately starts being evil, they're probably going to get banned faster and for a longer duration. If a regular is only evil a fraction of the time, they generally get lighter punishments.

 

[burger king]

why do you think i stepped down as staff

why did you

 

[Gabriel]

why did you

oh it had nothing to do with any of this. realistically i had a lot of external stress in my life and that took priority. it just wasn't healthy anymore

 

[Moleman]

oh it had nothing to do with any of this. realistically i had a lot of external stress in my life and that took priority. it just wasn't healthy anymore

yeah FUCK being staff

 

[Yoishbedoish]

Another thing that works in regulars' favors is that most of them show that they're capable of being productive members of the community. If someone joins the server and immediately starts being evil, they're probably going to get banned faster and for a longer duration. If a regular is only evil a fraction of the time, they generally get lighter punishments.

evil is an interesting choice of word

 

[Pierogi]

evil is an interesting choice of word

I’m evil a lot of the time but I spend hundreds of hours doing things for the community so they’re stuck with me

 

[Gabriel]

I’m evil a lot of the time but I spend hundreds of hours doing things for the community so they’re stuck with me

Sunk cost fallacy

Spoiler: Spoiler

Sunk this Phallic D in your mom

 

[wallace]

just bribe the mods

 

[Virunas]

just bribe the mods

Fr, you didn’t let Pierogi have a free sample of your content. That could’ve easily solved this situation
The less often you get into trouble, the less harsh the punishments will be :3

Edit: Nvm the joke in the first half; I just read the appeal lmfao

 

[Black]

wow she got COId for exposing the corrupt regime

 

[Guerrilla Gamer]

I hope we receive an explanation soon.